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    <published>2008-10-21T13:00:00Z</published>
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    <title>Google changes the way it indexes SWF content</title>
    <summary>Search engine optimization has always been a thorn into Flash&#8217;s side. But on July 1st Adobe issued a press release stating that they had developed, in collaboration with Google and Yahoo!, a new Flash player intended to help search engines...</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Search engine optimization has always been a thorn into Flash&#8217;s side. But on July 1st Adobe issued a <a href="http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200806/070108AdobeRichMediaSearch.html" target="_blank">press release</a> stating that they had developed, in collaboration with Google and Yahoo!, a new Flash player intended to help search engines index flash content in a better way. The press release even mentioned that Google was already using the special player. A new era was to begin for the SWF format but months passed by without anyone seeing any changes, until today.</p>

<p>To fully understand what changed we have to know how Google indexed the SWF format before the new flash player for search engines. We had all heard rumors from one source or another but nobody knew for sure what was indexed or not. So I sat down and made fourteen test cases to try to shed some light on Flash and Flex SEO (<a href="http://www.zedia.net/2008/flash-and-flex-seo-experiment-part-2" target="_blank">test cases 1 to 7</a>, <a href="http://www.zedia.net/2008/converting-this-contest-into-a-seo-experiment" target="_blank">test cases 8 to 14</a>). In each of these test cases I would put a unique search expression that I was sure had no result on Google. Here is a list of what I learned from these experiments:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>Most of the content that was on the stage/timeline at compile time would be indexed even if it was outside the viewing area.</li><br />
<li>The TextArea, Text, ViewStack and custom MXML component in Flex would get indexed if they were in the MXML (I guess that is the Flex equivalent of being on the stage) but the Label component would not.</li><br />
<li>SWF files embedded in the HTML using JavaScript (SWFObject, AC_RunActiveContent, etc) could not be found on Google.</li><br />
<li>Anything related to the ActionScript 3 method addChild would not get indexed. As an example, adding a MovieClip from the library with static text in it using addChild method would not show up in Google&#8217;s search results. In the same way, using States in Flex wouldn&#8217;t work. My guess is that since States uses addChild in its MXML syntax, once compiled, it would get converted to the addChild method in AS3.</li><br />
<li>Finally, any content loaded externally from the embedded SWF file wouldn&#8217;t get indexed. That wasn&#8217;t a conclusion of my experiments but was <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.html" target="_blank">clearly stated by Google</a>.</li><br />
</ul><br />
At that point, out of my 14 test cases, you could find the results from 10 of them on Google.</p>

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<strong>What changed?</strong></p>

<p>On October 14th, I noticed a change in the search results of my pages made for the experiment. If you now search for the unique expression in the content of my 14 test cases, you will be able to find 12 of them on Google. That&#8217;s just two more than before, but you will have to observe some weird behavior.</p>

<p>As a matter of fact, some test cases keep changing between being indexed or not. As an example Test case number 7(Text component in Flex) was indexed two months ago, last week it wasn&#8217;t and now it shows up again. The same goes with the experiment about Flex&#8217;s Label component. I suppose Google is still fine tuning its algorithm.</p>

<p>What is really  interesting is that last week I saw two test cases on Google that had never been there (4, 8). From those you can deduce the following changes:<br />
<ul><br />
<li>Content added using the ActionScript 3 method addChild is now indexed. This includes content in Flex&#8217;s States.</li><br />
<li>Content in a SWF file embedded in the HTML using SWFObject 2.0 dynamic way (using Javascript) can now be found in Google.</li><br />
</ul><br />
These two changes are major, but I think the last one is the one with the most impact. A lot of the Flash based websites are using SWFObject as embedding techniques in the HTML and none of them could find their way into Google. This is now something of the past. </p>

<p><br />
<strong>What does this means in the every day job of a Flash developer?</strong></p>

<p>Well it might mean a lot. It might mean that the content that they are putting on the web will find its way on search engines and that more people might experience it. I say &#8220;might&#8221; because lots of unknowns remain. All my test cases were really simplistic and where done that way because I wanted to isolate variables to see what could prevent content from being indexed. I don&#8217;t think it represented the entire spectrum of ways that you could build a Flash/Flex website or application but all in all I think it gives some hope for the future. </p>

<p>One area that my experiments didn&#8217;t cover was in relation to loaded/external content and this is a pretty important area. If Google also starts to index loaded content, then flash developers might start building websites while keeping search engine optimization in mind. In order to fill the gap in that area, I&#8217;ll make some new test cases in a couple of days, to uncover what happens with external content. Stay tuned.<br />
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    <title>Comment from Will on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Will</name>
        <uri>http://www.ahrooga.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is good to know. I was a little worried when you said SWFs embedded with SWFObject weren't indexed. Glad to know it now seems to be working.</p>

<p>Hopefully Google will release some official documentation on ways developers can optimize their files for indexing.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T13:57:49Z</published>
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    <id>tag:www.insideria.com,2008://34.33858-comment:2044561</id>
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    <title>Comment from AJ on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>AJ</name>
        <uri>http://www.arpit.net/blog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think this will be even more complicated now. Atleast we knew nothing from SWFObject will be indexed and therefore could present a non flash based content. Now we will be unsure as to what is indexed. </p>

<p>We were able to index the alternate content which was same as the Flash content.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T14:55:33Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ariel Sommeria on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ariel Sommeria</name>
        <uri>http://arielsommeria.com/blog/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I thought I might mention that the folks at Silex (http://silex-ria.org) haven't waited for Google and generate HTML equivalents to Flash content.<br />
Ariel</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T15:25:53Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mikael on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mikael</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Indexing is good, but what about linking ? What can Google do to make sure the link they put up on the result page points directly at the content, and not some 'homepage' ?</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T15:29:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Insivia Web Design on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Insivia Web Design</name>
        <uri>http://www.insivia.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see how they take into consideration page coding practices such as bold/strong tags, hierarchy with H1..H6 tags, alt text on image links and more.  These are not standard practices in flash and even though they may have less influence than they once did in ranking, they still are important.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T15:30:58Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dominic Gelineau on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dominic Gelineau</name>
        <uri>http://www.zedia.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@AJ<br />
SEO has never been easy as Google keeps changing its algorithm; I guess we will have to adapt to this change also and hopefully in some distant future we won't have to create alternative content.</p>

<p>@Mickael<br />
I guess the first step for Google was to find a better way to index SWF content; as for deep-linking I doubt we will see that soon. I think it would require that the developer includes some special hooks for Google to go to right page and Google doesn't like to rely on developers for its indexing.</p>

<p>@Insivia Web Design<br />
A lot of testing has to be done in that area to see how flash content perform as opposed to html content. Also there is a way in flash to use htmlText and doing so you can include H1, H2, A, P, Strong tags(you can actually create your own tags) but I don't know if Google give any attention to it or even if it is widely used by the flash community.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T15:58:28Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Erik on 2008-10-21</title>
    <author>
        <name>Erik</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In your post you say that components defined in mxml are indexed correctly. You say: "I guess that is the Flex equivalent of being on the stage". MXML however gets converted to ActionScript before ending up in the swf.</p>

<p>The components themselves are added using addChild. Apparently the text in those components does get indexed. It might have something to do with the fact that the properties and their values are present in an object called 'component descriptor' which is put into the class.</p>

<p>Anyway, interesting article. And I wonder what the future will look like.</p>

<p><br />
Greetz Erik</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-21T19:14:32Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from flexmongo on 2008-10-22</title>
    <author>
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        <uri>http://flexmongo.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>hi dominic,</p>

<p>thanx for the articel and your enthusiastic work. i'm looking forward to see new seo tests ;+)</p>

<p>as a responsible flash developer i allways try to obfuscate my code in comercial projects. i use tools like swf encrypt. </p>

<p>now my question is - is google able to index scambled, obfuscated swf files? i think this would be very important to know for all developers. If i have to "keep the doors open" to let google look inside my code - the whole swf-indexing-stuff make no sense, or am i wrong?</p>

<p>best regards<br />
jan</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-22T10:20:44Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Mikael on 2008-10-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mikael</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@Jan They won't be looking into the code, they'll be running it, and inspecting what's displayed. Pretty much the way a user does it.</p>

<p>@Dominic That's what I think too, some kind of universal anchor tag for flash is needed for the next step.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-22T13:58:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Hans on 2008-10-22</title>
    <author>
        <name>Hans</name>
        <uri>http://www.novio.be/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Hi, also interesting to know is what happens with text dynamically extracted from resource bundles by the ResourceManager in Flex? Sadly nothing, so it seems...</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-22T23:01:10Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from panorama360 on 2008-10-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>panorama360</name>
        <uri>http://www.panoramix.no</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>i think a lot of time will pass until we could say its same work to SEO flash and html, until now im using onyl META tags for flash SEO, some pages i can see partly indexed, some i cant see at all, and other problem is that sometimes google is pointing at swf file directly not on html page where its embed...</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-23T17:16:51Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Dominic Gelineau on 2008-10-26</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dominic Gelineau</name>
        <uri>http://www.zedia.net</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@jan<br />
My guess is also that is doesn`t matter if you obfuscate your code, but I will check it out just to be sure.</p>

<p>@Hans<br />
I am not that versed in Flex, but I will look into the RessourceManager</p>

<p>@panorama360<br />
It's hard to tell if Flash and HTML SEO will ever be the same, but at least the gap between them is becoming smaller. As, for Google indexing the swf directly, I think that it shouldn't be that way. A Flash website is displayed properly only when it is embedded in its HTML counterpart.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-10-26T16:23:41Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Soap Nuts Laundry Detergent on 2008-11-02</title>
    <author>
        <name>Soap Nuts Laundry Detergent</name>
        <uri>http://www.buysoapnuts.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Any coments on all the changes in google rankings that seemed to begin October 31st, 2008?  The rank changes seem to affect many sites drasticly (as many as 20-30 spots in google).  I notice that even today, many sites are still bouncing back and forth from the old rankings to the new rankings.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-11-02T23:06:34Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sean on 2008-12-14</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sean</name>
        <uri>http://MediaSignage.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We hope indexing would get better...<br />
We built a Free Digital Signage solution using <a href="http://www.MediaSignage.com">http://www.MediaSignage.com</a> and having Flex indexed would be a great help ...</p>

<p>Sean.</p>]]>
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    <published>2008-12-14T20:49:38Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from dere123 on 2009-02-03</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>yes i love google my style is dodo & bobo   my favorite musik is here we go </p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-03T13:27:31Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from der123 on 2009-02-03</title>
    <author>
        <name>der123</name>
        <uri>http://URL</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>if you all em this aplipations? andi like this<br />
 good dey for the world!!!!!!!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-03T13:31:35Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Adrian Cristopher on 2009-02-13</title>
    <author>
        <name>Adrian Cristopher</name>
        <uri>http://www.adrian.com.ph</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>i love google.html, i learned so many things... Thank you..</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-02-13T23:59:59Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Diolt.com on 2009-06-19</title>
    <author>
        <name>Diolt.com</name>
        <uri>http://www.diolt.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In today's highly competitive online market place the search engines have started to use a whole array of tools to decide who sits at the top of the returned results.<br />
One of the main criteria used is backward links (links coming into your website from other sites). Google in particular puts a lot of weight on this and its effects have a direct correlation to the top positions in the search engines.<br />
This is when effective link campaign management is key and can make your online marketing campaign really successful.<br />
The Benefits of Link Building</p>

<p>There are many benefits with having a professionally managed link campaign including but not limited to:<br />
Higher ranking search engine positions<br />
More targeted traffic to your website<br />
Wider Internet presence<br />
Higher Page Rank<br />
Types of Links</p>

<p>At Diolt.com we use a variety of sources for use in your linking campaigns dependant on your budget, needs and website theme.<br />
These links can come in many forms and various methods including:<br />
Directories<br />
Articles<br />
Online Press Releases<br />
Link Development<br />
Blogging<br />
Social Media</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-06-19T10:03:33Z</published>
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